Translator: Davood Salehan
Palestine is the main issue of the Islamic world for decades. Indeed, Muslims have always believed in Palestine as their first home in these years, and, in the first place, they have had loved glorious Quds. The suffering of the Palestinians and the oppression that goes on them has promptly spread throughout the Muslim world and has inflicted the heart of the Ummah; nevertheless, while Palestine has always been engaged as a central issue of Islamic subjectivity, there is little theoretical - historical knowledge among societies of the ordinary people of Muslim, of how the Zionism's disaster has come down to Palestine. This question is important because less attention has been paid to this issue in public language and public understanding. Where did the Zionist come from, how did they occupy Palestine and with what actions and during what period of time, and basically conspiracy of Zionism is on what basis and foundation?
Now and after the courageous statements of the president about the fabrication of legends based on the Zionist government, including the Holocaust, which created a wave of hope and joy among the right-wing generations of the Muslim world, the issue of Palestine was once again at the forefront of attention. And it deserves this time to pay attention to the issue of Palestine with more depth and time. The present dialogue follows such a goal. Mohammad Taghi Taghipour is one of the most prominent experts in the subject of Palestine and especially Zionist studies. "Zionist Studies" is one of the reference works in this field, which he has been the superior editor of it.
Many classical books in this area are also under review and written or translated by their aristocrats, including a valuable book written by Roberto Francis, a famous French scholar in the rejection of the Holocaust legend.
Just a few months ago, the Frankfurt Book Library, which was completely under the influence of the Zionists, seized one of Tigipur's books in English as "the folk story" (two other books also had anti-Zionist themes, were deprived of participation in the exhibition) . The present dialogue is the first part of our detailed discussion with Mohammad Taghi Taghipour, who deals with the history of the occupation of Palestine. In the second part of this discussion, the reasons for the lie of the Holocaust legend will be explained.
Mr. Taghipour, the issue of the occupation of Palestine has been going on for many years. The Zionists in Palestine have known themselves as owners of the land over the past 60 years and claim that this land already belonged to them and now they have come and taken it. The first question we are asking you is basically how the story of Palestine and its occupation began and why did the Zionists choose Palestine to form a Jewish state?
- They claim that Palestine is the promised land of the Jews. That is, the Jewish god, called the Jehovah, promised the land to Israel to live in Palestine for all their history forever. But politically and economically, we can say that Jews believe and claim that Palestine is the center and heart of the earth, and whoever dominates the land will lead the world. Economically and geopolitically, Palestine is like the hinges of the three continents of Europe, Asia and Africa. That is why, from ancient times and in the contemporary era, Palestine has been and is the world's commercial and political highway. Thus, the Jews, with such material and political motives, have come up with an option called "Palestine", with the help of religious claims that we have a religious duty in Palestine. Yet in the mid-19th century, when Zionist whispers formed a state or a Jewish state in Europe, some Jewish leaders and Zionist thinkers said that Palestine was "useless" for us.
Q: were there other countries to form a Jewish state?
- Yes; they were saying that we want a land in which to gather. Even at one time, the Ugandan debate was discussed, or at one time the country of "Iraq" or "Sinai desert" was raised. In Latin America, there was talk of one region, for example, Argentina.
In what circles did these discussions take place?
- In the Jewish-Zionist circles. You know that the Jews have claimed that some of our scholars have believed in; that is, because the Jews were at the peak of humiliation, oppression, and injustice, they were forced to form a land, but that's not the case. The fact is that this temperament and expansionist, outspoken and power-hungry character has always been among the Jews. But according to the Jewish religion, this people have no right to give power and space to others whenever they have authority and power, but when they live under the rule of others, they are in some way oppressed.
It means they did "prosecution”...
- Yes, this "pretended oppression" has always been used as a weapon in Jewish history. When Zionist thought was raised in Europe and then spread, it was when Jews were in the best economic, social and political conditions.
- You see that in the 19th century Europe, the Jews were economically leaning on economic power levers and the key to Western economic power was in their hands. That is, many large companies and industries were in their possession. The Rothschilds were in fact the kings without throne of Europe and especially England. So, it can be said that Europe, and especially England, have been the origins of Zionism. That is, when they felt their position perfectly fit and saw themselves as the world's leader, it was at that time that they raised Zionist thought. Until now, they did not have such a wish. That is, contrary to what they claim in their historical sources and texts that, unfortunately, some have also accepted this issue; the Jews did not choose to emigrate in oppression and occupation, and it is interesting that when some Zionist leaders in the early 19th century came up with this idea and propagandized it, the general Jews, both in the West, who lived in very ideal conditions, and in Islamic countries, which, according to Islamic principles and beliefs, rulers and peoples were very tolerant of them, they were dignitaries and lived in fully peaceful ways.
I must emphasize that the Western countries had a "promised paradise" rule for the Jews.
- No, it was the same in the United States as well. They even named it the Promised Land, even after their condition improved, especially since the 17th century, when they entered the new Territory (America), and it is interesting to know that the "Rocky Mountains" were named "Zion Mountains" and they called the United States the New Jerusalem. In other words, they raised their though in such an ideal situation.
How much did the Jewish idea that they should be gathered in a region spread among the general Jewish community?
- you see, at that time, since many Jews were accepted in the countries they were living in and enjoyed a number of political, economic, and social privileges, they could not live their life, saying that Palestine was a "miserable home" for them that it is what the Jewish leaders even said, as they were in favor of the "integration into the environment" thesis. They said we were accepted in our environment and why should we be displaced.