Christian Zionism as Reflected in the Mirror of Past, Present, and Future (2)

Promised: Is the so-called clash of civilizations which is discussed these days refer to this issue?
Mr. Afghahi: definitely it is affected by this issue. That is both the idea of Mr. "Samuel Huntington" which is known as the designer of the theory of "clash of civilizations" and the idea of Mr. "Fukuyama", the theorist of the "end of history", both are in this direction and by the same vision and belief in Zionism, because they believe in the end of history, but in the justification and commentaries disagree;
But their general approach is that the world should end and the earth becomes empty of evil and wicked forces so that Jesus Christ rules the earth in serenity and the power of belief and people enjoy his government. Therefore, there exist “millennium churches” who believe that preparations are to be done to extend Christ’s government and help him in doing so and they are going to make the necessary changes to realize this. A group is trying to realize reappearance of Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) by following predictions.
The war of Armageddon and the destruction of Al-Aqsa mosque from the perspective of this process is inevitable, and it is interesting to know that Christian Zionists are trying to demolish Al-Aqsa Mosque more than Jews. The one who burned the Al-Aqsa Mosque in 1969 was a Christian Zionists resident of Australia called "Dennis Michael Doohan".
It should be noted that two other attempts were made to destroy Al-Aqsa Mosque, Israeli pilots once wanted to bomb the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Arab-Israeli war Curran, his plan was ready to bomb the Al-Aqsa mosque under the pretext of the war. This incident did not happen in war. As Jews around the Al-Aqsa Mosque, especially the western wall of the mosque and Jewish rabbis are opposed to the destruction of the mosque, said Jews are massacred, shrapnel and rocks down on people and our people are destroyed, the plan remains silent does not run. Another plan ready to be implemented even close and it was stopped at the last minute.
Based on reports and witnesses, because tunnels are excavated under the Al-Aqsa mosque with the excuse of discovering the temple of Solomon, in 1985 a group responsible for this suggested the use of explosive materials to demolish the mosque but Jewish rabbis opposed saying that if you do it the wailing wall will fall apart and this is a great sin.
And therefore the rabbis rebelled against it and temporarily prevented it.
What are they doing now? Several years ago a documentary movie was broadcasted on Hizbullah's Al-Manar channel; the film was very interesting and exceptional, I think they have produced it secretly under the guise of tourists.
They have videotaped the tunnels dug under al-Aqsa centimeters by centimeters and meters by meters, while describing that they are shooting these scenes in the tunnel and in which part of the mosque, exactly. In the film they unveil that they are excavating under the mosque and unbalancing the building to spoil it making it like Pizza tower and if the mosque fell apart they won’t give the permission for repairing.
It is impossible for the ministry of Religious Affairs of Israel to give permission to repair the mosque. At the same time with such actions, they bring students in the form of Pilgrimage tours to Jerusalem and show them color maps replica of Solomon's Temple, or the Temple of Solomon - who they believe that the rule of Solomon was at the height of civilization and the power of the Jewish people.
They say to them: do you know where it is? It is now under the mosque, and Muslims have destroyed our sacred relics by force and have built Al-Aqsa Mosque on it. That is while there is no historical evidence apart from their own books about this issue; some Jews believe that the temple is in this region but not under the mosque, but according to evidence it is a few hundred meters away from the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
This is what Jews themselves have said. And other historians and archaeologists still have no conclusive evidence indicating that Solomon's Temple id under the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The main issue is the elimination of Islam and the Islamic works and the name of Islam and Islamic civilization from this land.
Look! Mr. George Bush cannot speak more explicit than this! In Sharm el-Sheikh summit beside Sharon and between Mr. Abumazen and Ariel Sharon stands Palestinian traitor who says that we are willing to create a happy Jewish state. The word “happiness” is one of the words about which they have complex. Because the Jewish people have always been suppressed, have been miserable, the Jewish people have been displaced and joy and happiness should be brought to them.
It is in their gnostic works. In the teaching of their social doctrines to their children they have always insisted on this word, because Jewish people are known for isolation, malevolent and evil-heartedness. When Mr. George Bush says the "Jewish state" he means that there should be no trace of Islamic trace in it. On the other hand they have previously announced in the Congress of America that Jerusalem is Israel's official capital;
So the question of the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque is dependent on time just now. Even with their documented reasons they have prepared the stones, carved based on the needs of the Temple of Solomon and the architectural plans of Solomon's Temple. These rocks are now in storage.
These have been prepared in accordance with certain formalities. The clothes rabbis want to wear and supervise on the formalities of entry and exit and rituals that want to perform; they teach; those who should worship, are now spending training courses;
Old rabbis who will not see the temple after the destruction are teaching other generation, either from their own or other, to replace them. These are realities that are ongoing now, these are not mere assumption or fiction; it really exists; they have prepared rocks, clothing, people have prepared prayers for entrance and exit. They are just waiting for the digging to finish and it collapses, Al-Aqsa mosque be destroyed. And Solomon's Temple be built.
They say that they are now building parts of Solomon's Temple. The planning of the foundations and concrete pillars have begun. In the film they show a part and say it is outside the mosque, they are building this to leave no choice for the Muslims. Another conspiracy going underway by them is the proclamation of Israel interior security minister in response to the demands of Israeli religious rituals that why Muslims use this sacred monument to worship.
Jews have desperately put us under pressure wanting to come to the temple of Solomon and worship the statue of Solomon. We put aside part of the mosque for entry and exit of the Jews and a part for Muslims to go and worship. This case is now being discussed in the synagogue. God forbid if this was approved, there will be bloody conflict in the area of mosque.
There are a series of possibilities then: either they will set fire on the mosque, for a time its doors will be closed, then it becomes blighted and the building demolishes and call it a day; the fact that they close the mosque for a certain period of time means that they want to take the property of the mosque in being the center of worshipping from this mosque.
Not least by half way and spiritual role in the unity of the Muslims neutral and out of the classroom.
Promised: Ironically, this event is known as a divine providence.
Mr. Afghahi: one hundred percent agree. To them, one of the certain events before the advent of Jesus Christ is the same process. I told you that they are developing the process with great sensitivity; they even justify themselves saying that: we fear we do something in this ceremony and in the process of building that might be in contrast with God’s convincement and consequently procrastinates the reappearance of Christ. This is how serious they are about this issue.
Promised: Because of the very fact that they consider themselves as special providence-oriented, they say we cannot do anything to make peace. They believe that any attempt to make peace is meaningless, because the war of Armageddon is inevitable, and this is God's will and we had to be with God.
Mr. Afghahi: In their slogans they write such things as: "Armageddon is not actually impossible." Here it is useful to look at the processes that are facing them.
Promised: Muslims?
Mr. Afghahi: not Christians themselves, Jews who are opposing them. They are quite the opposite. I said they now have more material power; otherwise, scientifically they are too low and have less influential roles. Especially in terms of the number of priests and church logic they are low, but make too much noise. I think they have taken the strategy of terror. Even the name of the war against Iraq was "war of terror".
They believe that there are two stages for this war; one: clean war and the other is terror war; they said that if the war ended in ten days it is clean war. We do not shoot centers, nor we fight against the house of people, not we invade public utilities; we’ll bombard only the power centers of the Baath Party to free the Iraqi people; however, we have seen how those 7-ton and 9-ton and 11-ton bombs landed on the heads of people.
Did they kill an Iraqi soldier or a Baathist? Or those bombs landed in market of western Karradeh, hay al-Mansoor and al-Azmiah in which were unfortunately mostly Shiites who were massacred. They said that if this war lasts more than ten days into the war will be hurt and fear. Therefore, military and political literature and propaganda are the first ten days of transcendental literature, but after the war began ten days of fear and injury, shake and fear of war nations.
Promised: It was interesting that the Pope also announced the "dirty war" that is to say even Pope addressed this issue.
Mr. Afghahi: Definitely yes. These positions taken by Pope had another purpose, too. Pope is a wise man and well knows that many Christians live in Arab and Islamic countries; he also knows that Christian Zionism wants to make mischief in the catholic world as we can see today in Latin America which is the Catholic strategic depth and Catholic Church, they are destroying churches. They are currently active in the Latin America giving promises, deception, destruction, propaganda, giving fellowship, establishing charity centers, universities, airports, hospitals, etc. They are violently invading Pope and Vatican and are insulting them.
Pope had two or three very prominent positions in the recent global events and did a few very clever acts. Vatican spokesman was even the first person who protested against the foolish remarks of Mr. George Bush who declared war on Islam and Christianity in relation to the events of September 11.
He said: No, no, we do not have and will not have war, Islam and Christianity in advance. Mr. Pope John Paul II also did much that this logic is not comprehensive and does not provoke the Muslim world, because I said they believed the war of civilization. What is civilization? Civilization "Confucius," which is now out of date, and both Buddhist and Hindu civilization, Western civilization does not now deal with a threat to their lives do not count. Otherwise, you are now parties to the conflict to India, Japan and North Korea and China, because this war is in the Middle East.
Jews are especially trying to prepare the grounds for the happening of this war in the Mesopotamia. Their intention is to avenge the two major events of the Babylonian one was their captivity whose center was located in Iraq and Mesopotamia, and one Saladin, who liberated Jerusalem, he was also from Iraq. This land is the cradle of civilizations and religions. This land is the land of birth and the land of Prophet Ibrahim (Peace be upon him). They want to destroy or occupy this center.
Perhaps this symbolic move that they appointed Iraq's first military ruler a Christian Zionist, that is, "Mr. Jay Garner", refers to their slogan of the Nile to Euphrates, because they are very insidious, in the same way that they chose Madrid for Arab-Israeli peace talks.
Madrid is the capital of Spain: the place where Muslims were defeated. They are very symbolic. Unfortunately we are a bit slow at this. The very process of Christian Zionism is mentioned in Grice Hullsell’s book “Preparation for the great war based on predictions of Prophets of Children of Israel” published in 1983 and translated in 1986 by Sammack. I mean that we are 20 years behind them.
God bless Promised institute who wants to open the way for discussion of this issue and provide it to the public. Until now, whatever we have spoken has been at special conferences and seminars and such issues have not yet become universal; people have the right to be told these things. We should understand that American support of Israel is not strategic. Even Mr. Carter says that he is not even the super-special; meaning that it is based in their common understanding of the Bible.
Promised: Christian Zionism considers Muslims as a major obstacle to the emergence and implementation of God's special will. They believe that this was the will of God that Christ emerged after a series of successive events and Muslims are opposing this demand.
Surely those who believe Muslims are preventing this incident and God’s will, consequently consider Muslims as the main enemy. Mr. Amiri, what specific positions they have against Muslims or based on the beliefs of Christian Zionists what is the connection between these issues and Iraq war?
Mr. Amiri: They have two different thoughts in mind. In the debate it was often argued that to what extent Mr. Huntington or Mr. Fukuyama’s ideas are in line with their thoughts? They believe that some people among themselves (West) be present in the Middle East and Eastern savagery and barbarism will attack them from Russia or Iraq. The Jewish people used ideas of such people as Fukuyama and Huntington to build walls and shields against invaders.
They have been some sort of second-class citizens who have come from the West to prevent them. But the argument is that what danger are they going to ward off? Risk of barbaric East? Who are these barbaric people? They are of two groups: one of them is communists which like English prefer death to being red-skinned.
There are two spectrums that concern us: the Reds and the Greens. Greens are Muslims who I think they mean Shiites. By reds they mean communism. With the collapse of Soviet, the issue of communism came to an end, as the saying goes, "the risk of the attack of Ethiopians is also gone; and then there came the issue of Russia and Iran.
At the time when Iran was pro-Israel was a complicated issue for people who were pro predictions and after Iran's Islamic Revolution took place they said that the simulation has been done. That is Persian attack on Jews became fixed in their religious beliefs. The predictions came true.
And naturally the Jews should have a team that Muslims and communists to attack them; they have become scapegoats. As the saying goes, you said that only two or three thousand Jews survived, and the Jews who survive seven months to bury the dead Jews do. Then living Jews will convert to Christianity.
The groups who attack Jews, are two; the Reds who are communists and now the simulations have been done the Reds refer to North Korea. Green is now Iran. Ethiopia risk may be gone or be repeated again. These are range that attack and eliminate the Jews. As a result, the problems existing in the West comes to the East.
Mr. Afghahi: One of the reasons for the falsity and nonsensicality of those predictions is not mentioning the name of Iran as the focus of danger. They are focusing on the Middle East Arabic countries. That is while they are now trying to consider the issue of Iraq as the focus of risk. Here I want to relate a memory of great martyr of Lebanon's Hezbollah who was one of the militant Rouhani. Martyr "Sheikh Ragheb Harb" quoted that when the first time, Israeli soldiers transferred me to the occupied territories; they interrogated me in two stages.
The first stage of the interrogation was ordinary which was about security and political issue, the fact that we stimulated youth and the like which were accompanied by hostility and insult. Another stage of interrogation was different. They questioned me about the personality of Imam Khomeini and wanted to know that "if he was Imam Mahdi whose reappearance has been promised?"
Sheikh Ragheb Harb says that at first it was very strange that how related are such questions with Lebanon and Hezbollah. I said: No, he is one of the authorities who rose up and overthrew the Shah of Iran and Iranian people approved of him, and there was a revolution. The interrogators told Sheikh: Imam Khomeini said Israel should be wiped out and Israel is a cancerous gland and we have read in our books that Imam Mahdi will destroy us.
Sheikh Ragheb Harb would say that: I saw how seriously they are about this issue and how extensive their researches and studies that whether the concept in the Torah matches with Imam Khomeini. Martyr Ragheb Harb said: when I was talking about the situation and rise of the events before the advent of Imam Mahdi, although I was their prisoner, but I felt they are my captive.
This was the statement I mentioned about the memory of martyr Sheikh Ragheb Harb and the conclusion of this memory is that they are serious in the case of reappearance of the savior, i.e. Imam Mahdi (Peace be upon him), and they are active in this field; there are many scholars, thinkers, and elite people among them. They have scholars in every field and that is why they proudly consider themselves the children of God; and Allah the Almighty answers them in the Quran and says “Allah has no children”; the verse is an indication that Jews and Christians believe that God has children.
We are going to give logical answers. The other thing that we've learned from this is that they sort Prophecies are diverse, to fit a variety of political and strategic and geopolitical change that.
Of course we should consult with scholars of other religions about such issues which threaten all religions; we should plan on this issue. However, every person who wants to fight with the enemy one must weigh his options. Fellowship and at the same time, he estimated the pros and cons and I think if the matter is to be discussed, not bad.
The promised: I think there is one neglected point and that is the relationship between the issue which they refer to, i.e. the advent of the Promised savior and in any way that they believe, or rather they use it as a plot and conspiracy to develop their strategy and the fact that Shiites like many of the followers of different religions who believe in the reappearance of the savior and the immanency of this reappearance. That is to say, sometimes we put the issue aside and say that this is the issue put forward by them making advantage out of it, while other parts of the world are unaware of this issue.
But when we examine the events of the last twenty years in Islamic countries and other countries including Europe and America, even among the Brahmans such as land, Hindus and so on rise and close their murmuring event is very high.
We know that in many of their traditions event such as the introduction of the emergence of the Islamic Revolution mention come. Even when we examine the narratives we see the events that are happening right now have already been referred to. General state of the world in terms of injustice and widespread famine and natural disasters has filled the world.
We should take into consideration the Promised Imam (Peace be upon him), we have been promised and we are seeing signs of it. Undoubtedly, intelligence and strategic studies institutes of the United States of America and the United Kingdom have noted this and are informed about the case. No wonder they have emphasized this case to such an extent.
We can see the processes which are opposing Iran and limiting Iran have targeted our Jihadi positions, the nearness of the return of the Promised Imam; they use this them in their movies. All these indicate that they are well aware of Muslims’ predictions and have taken stance to them; maybe the event that have occurred and the history that has begun are preparations for the advent of the Promised Savior.
They well know that if they want to stay passive and do not pay attention to predictions of Muslims, hadiths and what is happening in the world, like Iranian Islamic Revolution and the same process continues and quarrel with each other over the missing of Iran, they will definitely lose Iraq in a short time and with this position of Shiites it won’t last long that with the advent of Promised Savior no traces will remain from Judaism, Christianity, Zionism, West, and their civilization and culture.
While most of you know that they are more aware of the history of the west. They are witnessing the dead end created by their technology; they see the dead end of Western civilization.
I want to say that their awareness of nearness of the reappearance of the Promised Savior in the Islamic traditions has led them to plan a special strategy of prevention, meaning that before the event takes place they want to be present in the region, stay armed in the Persian Gulf, be engaged in conflict with Iran, drain their energy and in case anything happens be able to dominate the situation using strategic movements and taking serious actions; in some films it can be seen, for example, in the movie Terminator and recently Terminator 3 that has come to the market, the plot story of the movie suggests that they know where it actually occurs;
They know that they are being threatened, and sooner or later they will engage event, so deterrence strategy is the easiest, yet most operational strategies that can help them do that can be met with minimal damage with the incident. By this I do want to point out two things, one that to dominate Iraq, along with Iran and Iraq may think that they coincided with the emergence of events that occur in them.
Another point is that they want to prevail over Iraq and prevent Iran so as to make the necessary preparations for the full dominance of Saudi Arabia, where Imam Mahdi (Peace be upon him) is to return and with if the accident takes place, they be in possession of Jerusalem and have full control over it and using it and domination of Iraq and preventing Iran from taking any measure, be able to pose a new challenge and win it or at least be inflicted with the least damages.
Anyway, the time is up and we have to call it a day. Once again, I’d like to thank you all for participating in this roundtable.